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, the driving passion for mr. boehner in these fiscal debates is his conviction that trillion deficits are sapping the country of its energy and prosperity. trillion deficits, his driving passion. everybody loves john boehner's passion. but this is supposedly what he feels so passionate about. this is a chart of the country's budget deficit levels every year. red bars are president bush's deficits from 2008 and 2009. blue bars are president obama's deficits. those really big bars are when the whole world economy crashed, including ours. remember that? you notice how the deficit gets smaller when the bars are blue over time? see how they're getting shorter as you go to the right? today the congressional budget office released their deficit projection for 2013. so for this upcoming year, the nonpartisan cbo. according to them under president obama the deficit is slated to continue to shrink, as it has been under president obama. but the supposedly gigantic growth of those deficits is why congressional republicans are >>> in march 2007, some of the fine folks at morgan stanley were brains

is president obama really cares about the deficit. if there is something he noticed in the first two years when the economic crisis had to be front and center, the thing he wanted to deal with was the long-run deficit. the idea that he went on a spending binge if you don't make threats like that is crazy. the evidence is there that he put spending cuts on the table. he asked them for them to be paired with tax increases as well. there is more good will than people realize. more agreement that we have such a big budget problem that will we're going to fire on all cylinders. we have to cut spending. frankly, we have raise more revenue. >> you're listening to the california program and our speakers are economic experts. we are discussing national, regional, and global economic challenges. you can find video online. there's a series of questions around employment and job growth. what what is your outlook on job growth? >> i will start. i think -- i will say i was here last year and i'm more optimistic this year than last year. we made a significant amount of progress. it looks like housing prices h

economy back to work and create jobs, jobs, jobs. that's what this is about. our deficit has been coming down and the patient approach is to recognize that we actually have time. we should bring the deficit down, but we have time. we should take the cuts off the table and think about how to get the economy going. if people work again, we are on the road to solving the problem. >> to that point and looking at the cuts you have been pointing out to head start and cuts to wic, the women, infant and children nutritional assistant program, they are penny wise and foolish and may be making things worse in the long run. >> i'm glad you raised that, crystal. if you think about the single mom working 12 hours a day and her paycheck does not take her to the end of the month on food. what she realizes and has been a responsible mom, but realizes after she makes the decision to have her child not have an abortion is that her paycheck is not going to help her feed her infant. the women infant children program not only feeds these families, it also teaches them about nutrition and how to be healther a

we have had five straight trillion dollars worth of defense deficits to pump it up and we get $85 billion a month in transfusions a month from the fed and we are still limping along like a mature and quite frankly modest economy. >> eleanor? >> i think these numbers reflect the fact that government is shrinking and the defense department really pulled back in the last quarter of last year. it is a cautionary sign and looks like both parties are kind of sleepwalking their way toward a sequester. the ropes don't want to -- the republicans don't want to give up anything on the revenue side they would rather take a hit in spending. the democrats have protect social security, pell grants and medicaid, so they are not going to cave first. so if neither party blinks, the sequester will go ahead and we'll see further contraction in the economy. but you know, i'm not that glammy. i take my cue are from mark sandy, an accomplished economist. he says in 2013 we are going to go along with steady, modest growth but the housing market is truly come back and 2014 looks like. >>> tell mark the co

really needed was deficit reduction. and this is a period in which we didn't come to a big deficit reduction deal. what we did is raise taxes. it cut the deficit a bit, but not a big deal. what happened to the markets? somehow we kept adding jobs and the stock market did really well. it all worked out reasonably okay. so here is what we learned. cutting government spending hurts economic growth. no doubt about it. that means doing it in a bad economy may not be such a good idea. but increasing taxes a bit, not coming to the big deficit deal. the private sector and even the markets don't seem all that concerned. the last week should cause a lot of people in washington to re-think what they're doing. i am not optimistic that will happen. joining me now, former economic adviser to vice president joe biden, jared bernstein, a man who is always re-thinking what he is doing, how are you? >> i'm fine, ezra. >> and what else did you see in the reports? you got a good eye, what caught yours? >> one thing i saw was the revisions to last year's employment growth was such that i thought we wer

proposals for deficit reduction. the president told super bowl fans reducing the deficit will require more taxes. >> can we combine some smart spending cuts because there's still some waste in government, can we reform our health care programs in particular and can we close loopholes and productions that folks who are well connected and have a lot of accountants can take advantage of. there's no doubt we need additional revenue coupled with smart spending reductions in order to bring down our deficit. >> president also warned congress about the danger of alowing the sequester to go into effect. >> washington cannot continually operate under a cloud of crisis. that freezes up consumers, gets businesses worried. we can't afford the self-inflicted wounds. >> no another tweet david plouffe said message delivered to big audience on balanced budget, deficit reduction, economy growth. on abc, an unlikely name was invoked for direction. >> i think what we need to do is do some things mitt romney taungd abo talked about. he said there are tax loopholes that should be closed. there are efforts being

apiece saying how the trust deficit is hurting the economy. what are you trying to say about that? guest: we usually do not talk about trust deficits. talk about trade, budget deficits, things we can measure. i'm talking about a breakdown of trust in american society, in particular in the institutions that make our economy go. when you look at measures of trust from surveys like a gallup or the pugh institute -- the pew institute, or even newspapers, congress, large corporations, banks, public schools, they have all been going down for many years. for a lot of them, this decline in trust was intensified leading up to and going into the financial crisis. there are a lot of reasons for these things we can talk about. what we were trying to get at in the story that -- is that this matters to the economy, and trust breaks down. there was nobel prize-winning economist who 40 years ago said that every commercial transaction has within it an element of trust. when you trust your counter party, you're more likely to engage in a transaction. when trust begins to fray, and people become suspicious

about deficits, we are buying in to the right wing mantra somehow deficits are killing the economy. look at great britain and doing with their austerity plans and doesn't add up. i'm much more of the mind to be proactively looking at infrastructure investment like many of the business advisers told president obama should happen. people from commerce, from industry. i get it. that won't happen as long as house republicans are dead set against it. and what we're left with is unfortunately in my view a detente to put the discussion in the frame the republicans want. what about deficits? we have a jobs crisis in this country. not a deficit crisis. to me, the whole conversation has been pushed to the right further than it should be. >> and karen, on a last note, in anticipation of the president's speech, the white house released numbers on the people affected by the cuts. i believe around 600,000, between 600,000 and 800,000 suffering as a result of cuts to food stamps and other program that is people need to survive these days and at least some of the analysis out there, democrats feel that

with a record debt and deficit, threat of global warming, threat of global poverty, of pandemics, of national security challenges like continuing war on terrorism, the instability of iran and north korea, rising powers, turmoil across the middle east, turmoil in north africa, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and the growing threat of cyberattacks. how we confront these problems, how we deal with these challenges will in many ways determine that future course of america. it will determine whether the united states will be a leader in the 21st century or whether we will be just another failed empire in history. to succeed we will depend on the resilience of our economy, the strength of our diplomatic and military institutions and above all, the effectiveness of our political system that underpins in many ways what we do as a country. and that brings me to what i see as perhaps the most urgent task facing this nation and facing all of us and that is overcoming the partisan dysfunction in congress that poses a threat to our quality of life, to our national security, to our economy

to reduce a deficit, he said the answer will require sacrifice from everyone. >> well, i don't think the issue right now is raising rates. the question is if we're going to be serious about reducing our deficit, can we combine some smart spending cuts, because there is still some waste in government. can we reform our health care programs in particular, because we spend a lot more on health care than every other country does, and we don't get better outcomes. so there is a lot of waste in the system. and there are things that we can do to reduce health care costs. and can we close some loopholes and deductions that folks who are well connected and have a lot of accountants and can take advantage of, so they end up paying lower rate that's an bus driver or a cop. can we close some of those loop holes? if we combine those things together, then we cannot only reduce our deficit, but we can continue to invest in things like education and research and things that will help us grow. >> meantime, the president leaves washington tomorrow for minnesota to make his case for new gun restriction

the deficit and by making reductions in spending. he talked about football. mr. obama says the threat of con suggestions for football players means everything should be done for safety, special if you are youth. the standoff between a man holding a young boy hostage and police and what investigators are saying about the situation tonight. >> panetta is speaking out r out about chuck hagel. >> there is no time like the present for john kerry >> still no end in sight to that hostage standoff in alabama. jim continues to hold a 5-year-old boy in a bunker. they have been communicating with him and they are able to provide medicine to the child. ethan will turn 6 years old later this week. so far authorities are tight lipped about what he wants. police say this standoff continues. funeral services were held until alabama for that bus driver. he tried to block him from grabbing more students off the bus. people say he acted heroricically when hi got in the way of the gunman. >> a spokesperson says clinton is a long-time friend and the mayor advised hillary cli

to lower the devers, but americans do not -- to lower the deficit, but americans do not support sacrificing real spenged cuts for more tax hikes. the president's sequester should be replaced with spending cuts and reforms that put us on a path to balance a budget over the next 10 years. the american people believe that the tax question has been settled. they know the president called for a balanced approach to the debt. combination of revenues and spending cuts, and they know he's gotten his revenue. the american people do not believe the president will use further tax revenues to lower the debt. and haven't seen this president attempt to spend his way into prosperity over the last four years, they know he'll spend it. the president doesn't believe we have a spending problem. he general winly believes the government -- genuinely believes the government spending causes economic growth. if that were true, the economy today would be thriving. it isn't thriving. the unemployment rate is still nearly 8% and rising. small businesses like the one i ran are struggling. middle class families, those

the deficit. all by honoring the wish of 2/3 of americans to respect states' rights for marijuana just like we do for alcohol. i would invite my colleagues to join this effort in developing a marijuana policy that makes sense for america today. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the chair recognizes the gentleman from north carolina, mr. coble, for five minutes. mr. coble: i thank the speaker. mr. speaker, january is the traditional month in which new year's resolutions are developed. i'm suggesting that president obama and mrs. boim adopt a resolution -- mrs. obama adopt a resolution. it appears to me, mr. speaker, regard air force one very casually and i believe on some occasions two planes, at least two planes go to the same destination. air force one, mr. speaker, belongs to president and mrs. obama. but air force one also belongs to the american taxpayer. and i would welcome a new year's resolution that would provide generous lace of all future air force one dispatches with prudence, discipline and last but certainly not least fiscal austerity. america's taxpayers will be

times" economist argued why the u.s. should spend now and worry about deficit reduction later. here it is. >> dashing spending when you still have depressed economy is really destructive. it's probably even counterproductive even in purely fiscal terms. we should be sustaining government spending until we have a stronger economic recovery. >> this is not a hard call. as long as we have 4 million people who have been unemployed for more than a year, this is not a time to be worrying about reducing the budget deficit. give me something that looks more like a normal employment situation and i'll become a deficit hawk but not now. >> do you subscribe to that, jared? or is that too extreme? >> not at all. i think paul's exactly right. paul and i share the following thing. we're deficit doves in a down economy, and deficit hawks in a strong economy. at a time like this, what you really need is faster growth. by the way, not only will that help put more people to work, but it will actually help reduce your budget deficit ironically because those people will be working, paying taxes, they w

gdp calculation rises, government versus consumption plus investment and minus your trade deficit, right? so if it's not going to consumption and it's going into the pockets of the top 1% or whatever, why aren't we seeing that reflected in investment? in fact, we saw very good business and investment numbers in the latest economic data. where are those dollars disappearing to? >> people invest when there's no return. >> excess capacity, you're not going to build more excess capacity just because the fed has low interest rates. i mean, if you look at investment overall, before the crisis, about 40% of all investment was in real estate. now, that is going to be damp dampened just because we built too many houses. >> and we had a bust, right? >> and we had a bust. the good news was a lot of them were showedly built and they'll fall apart and we'll have to reconstruct them. >> thank heavens. >> but the fact is, we overbuilt. the other part is actually not doing badly, given how weak demand is. it's not a lack of money. it's not the weaknesses in our financial system. that was one of t

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in my view are willing to basically deficit spend and run us into a fiscal problem. republicans are unwilling to touch revenue so say let -- let's deficit spend and democrats are unwilling to address government spending so they deficit spend. both sides which is why this country does not trust washington. >> i want to get quickly to another issue, chuck hagel's confirmation hearing this week. not even the white house would defend his performance. here's a piece of it. >> i support the president's strong position on containment, as i said. if i said that, meant to say that i -- obviously his position on containment, we don't have a position on containment. >> we do have a position on containment, which is that we do not favor containment. >> he was kind of a surprise there from chuck hagel, probably not going to hurt his chances of confirmation, is even getting some republicans -- >> i think he's going to make it but if you have to clarify your clarification, you're in trouble, no. i mean if we compare, for instance, what he went through with what hillary clinton did with the ben

. grappling with a record debt and deficits, threat of global warming, threat of global poverty, pandemics, of national security challenges like continuing war on terrorism, instability of iran and north korea, rising powers, turmoil across the middle east, turmoil in north africa, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and the growing threat of cyber attacks. how we confront these problems, how we deal with these challenges will in many ways determine the future course of america. it will determine whether the united states will be a leader in the 21st century, or whether we will be just another failed empire in history. to succeed, we will depend on the resilience of our economy, the strength of our diplomatic and military institutions, and above all, the effectiveness of our political system. that underpins in many ways everything we do as a country. and that brings me to what i see as perhaps the most urgent task, facing this nation and facing all of us. and that is overcoming the partisan dysfunction in congress that poses a threat to our quality of life, to our national se

to the deficit. on that list of attendees for that meeting include marshall fitz from the center for american progress. ben jealous from the naacp and richard from the afl-cio. later in the day the president is meeting separately with a group of business leaders. that includes lloyd from goldman sachs, from yahoo and kent from coca-cola. congress has the next three and a half months to run up the deficit as much as it wants. the house and senate extended the debt ceiling. president obama has signed the no budget, no pay act of 2013. not only does that put off the nation's debt obligations until may 18th, it also withholds pay for a number of congressmen and womenless women unless they pass a budget by april. >>> eight senators have voted to block the violence against women act. that bill would protect victims of domestic violence and this particular version extends that care to illegal immigrants, native americans and lgbt members. senators who voted against considering that bill include ted cruz, marco rubio and rand paul, all republicans. more bill's up next. stay with us. to me now? you k

and the deficit and debt crisis, everyone is entrenched in their positions and sitting back and saying, i think sequestration is going to happen. you know who is going to take the brunt of it. the across the board nature of the cuts are going to hurt our ability to train and maintain, vehicles, ships and airplanes and the things that provide the readiness for our military are going to take a dramatic cut and we'll have done nothing to reform the way we spend money and put our country on a sound physical track. >> of course, pete, as we talk about cutting back, our enemies are ramping up and you see north korea doing more testing and iran moving possibly closer to nuclear weapons. do our enemies overseas pay attention to our budget woes and our plans here at home? >> sure they do. they look at our capabilities. they look at our disposition. they perceive us differently when we're perceived to be drawing back and pulling away from the world and cutting our capability. so, what happens in washington is watched very, very closely and that's why we have to demonstrate our commitment to maintaining t

into further deficit and debt. >> obviously democrats would prefer a longer suspension of he debt ceiling which would provide additional economic security and stability as we continue to find ways to decrease the deficit. raising the possibility that the u.s. could default its obligations every few months is not an ideal way to run government but a short term solution is better than another imminent manufactured crisis. >> holman: the house already passed the bill. without it, the government would default on its obligations as early as mid-february. in economic news, americans' personal income grew in december, by the most in eight years. but first-time claims for jobless benefits were up last week. and on wall street today, the dow jones industrial average lost nearly 50 points to close at 13,860. the nasdaq fell a fraction of a point to close at 3,142. blinding snowfall and a slick freeway triggered a mile-long series of crashes in detroit today. at least three people were killed and 20 more injured. the pileups left a section of interstate 75 littered with wrecked cars and big-rig trucks. th

the economy and put us on a sustainable budget, bring our deficits down in a responsible, balanced way. >> does the president -- considering what the defense cuts did to the contraction of the u.s. economy in the fourth quarter, dois the president goi to be more aggressive in trying to find a way to stop the so-called sequester, the automatic defense cuts that would go through, which could it looks like now -- we already know the economic impact defense cuts have had last quarter. these would obviously slow down the economy even more. is the president going to refocus on this. >> the president has been focused on this for some time. the president made a submission to the super committee a year ago or so, which would have reduced our deficits in a balanced way, eliminated the sequester and his negotiations with the congress on the fiscal cliff. he did the same thing. so this is something that the president has provided a plan. the sequester is bad policy. it's something that we should eliminate. it wasn't intended to take place. and we got a taste for the impact that the sequester might

there's no major catalysts in the market. we got that trade deficit number narrowest in three years. >> good numbers from china. >> if we can believe them. i don't know. depends how you feel about the numbers. still the numbers were there. that was some after what the market was chewing on today. but a low volume day. >> a lot of talk about apple. we're going go after apple in a second. everyone is talking about apple and its excess cash and what's going to happen and this lawsuit from mine einhorn. >> $137 billion dollar of excess cash. that's a lot of cash. should they be returning it to shareholders? einhorn says give it back to us in the form of preferred shares. he's filed this lawsuit. i think it's interesting really that apple even responded. so often you don't heart company say anything when all of this buzz is going around. i don't know what are going to do. i don't know what the right thing is to do. but i know they should make the shareholders feel like it's worth holding that stock. >> i think there's going to be a lot of movement on that. many thanks to cnbc's courtney

this week. the ongoing debate over the rising debt and deficit and how to rein in government spending. here is a portion of the address. [video clip] >> i recently voted to present the democratic majority in the u.s. senate with a simple but powerful challenge. pass a budget, or you do not get paid. by forcing senate democrats to finally live up to one of the most basic responsibilities of governing, we are presenting them with a golden opportunity to confront and fall -- solve our spending program. we are holding president obama accountable for the sequestered cuts he first proposed in 2011. republicans want to replace the sequester, which is a series of harmful across the board cuts with better, common-sense cuts and reforms. all of this will require democrats to finally get serious about the spending problem. each of the last two years, the republican-led house has passed a responsible budget that addresses what is driving the debt to put our country on a path to prosperity. unfortunately, it has been for years some senate democrats last pass the budget. 1000, 375 days to be exact. -- 16

. it is important for us, whether we are talking about this issue or our deficit issue, to understand the demographic changes that are happening in and around the country. it is also the case -- i know you have been talking about manufacturing. we have a lot of jobs in this country that are unfilled. as a former superintendent of schools, i can tell you that my first priority is that we have to fill those jobs here. we are doing a horrendous job of preparing people for the stem fields that are required to make sure this country actually leads the world in advanced manufacturing. there is so much more we can do. we have not begun to do what we need to do for kids in this country to be ready for the 21st century. while we do that, it seems to me that it makes no sense for us to be saying to people that have acquired advanced degrees here and our foreign nationals, whose education we subsidized, but for a answer, because of obsolete caps that do not make sense, if that that ought to go build a business to compete with people in the united states. we need those folks here, to be able to d

in order to bring down our deficit. if you combine those things together we cannot only reduce our deficit but we can invest in education and research and development that will help us grow. martha: what do you think about that at home and what does karl rove think about that. former senior adviser to president george w. bush. there was a lot in that sound bite. we know the tax hikes have kicked in, but the president is suggesting that we need more money from the american people essentially. >> we have a spending problem not a revenue problem. revenues this year are anticipated to be above the year they were in fiscal '08. they are going to be over $2.9 trillion over $2 trillion. spending has increased more rapidly than revenues. the tax revenues we got as a result of raising the rates on the top two brackets was eaten up about it congress in one spending bill proposed about it administration, the sandy relief measure. we have a spending problem and it's going to get worse. martha: during the campaign we heard from governor romney about changing the structure of the tax code long term inst

and more. you're actually spending less. we have big deficits. lori: the decrease in government spending continue to equate it to the government downsizing? many republicans are looking. spending cuts. >> a little bit. it is not dramatic. it is not the size of government is falling of a cliff, his traveling down, not up. lori: the senate approved a house plan to approve the debt ceiling and hold off on congressional pay if they don't get a budget deal for the next ten years. you say this is more of a risk and even the fiscal cliff was. >> oh, yes. the debt ceiling is a potentially large fiscal contraction like the fiscal cliff was. even bigger, actually, if you do the math. debt ceiling is you cannot borrow, so you have to balance the budget tomorrow. in addition to that, there was the kind of not very real threat that we might default on the national debt or postpone payments, so you're playing with a combination of a big fiscal contraction and the possibility of triggering a financial crisis also. lori: i want to ask you about your book. after the music stopped, but about the financial

a priority? >> kerry has said he wants to focus on the middle east, and that has been a deficit in terms of the israeli-palestinian track. certainly, i mean, the arab spring made it much more difficult, much more complicated, but some would argue made it more necessary. >> well, yeah. the middle east is also one of the drains that can suck all the oxygen out of the room. you know, you could get involved in it and get sucked down all these different kind of rabbit holes that exist in the middle east. syria, israel, palestine, egypt, iran, iraq which could, you know, get rough, afghanistan, which is a problem. all of those things are, i guess, threads that he could pull on that could leave him not enough time to deal with the trans-atlantic relationship, to deal with china, to deal with our neighbors like mexico where their priority issues. to deal with rebuilding the international institutions that need to be rebuilt. i think he has to be a bit careful not to fall into that trap. >> finally, what about iran and whether we are going to be caught up in something that israel launches or that

's fiscal uncertainty and is doing so nervously. >> we have massive deficit, big tax increase. no apparent willingness to get government off people's backs by reducing government spending. all of that is a heavy weight on the private sector. firms around the nation are sitting on their cash instead of creating jobs. >> on wednesday, the commerce department announced economic growth fell to a minus tenth of a percent, the last three months of last year. so the chairman of the president's council of economic advisors says other indicators remain positive. >> consumer spending increased. business investment; particularly, for equipment and software was strong. residential construction was strong. we are seeing signs of that in the jobs report. >> it also showed a larger number of people dropped out of the labor force than found jobs. former administration economist says some of that is to be expected. >> the population is aging, so we expect to have a fair number of people retiring every month for the next ten years or more as the baby boom is retiring. >> actually, the conference board repor

and deficits we would have a blueprint for spending. >> greta: it's the job and the law. i realize others before him going back to president johnson have ignored it, but the rest of it, we follow the law and do our job. why is this like it's okay to do it? there is no management when you don't meet these criteria? >> maybe because other than this show tonight, you look at a lot of pressure. it's a pattern, too. there are five other examples that i can point to that the president has not met a deadline. one is report how the sequester supposed to work, it's not done. they have missed most of their mid session reviews which is the midyear, mid-july deadline. they have also missed the chinese currency report and more recent the medicare trigger. you are supposed to have a proposal how to reform medicare. they ignored it. finally the regulatory agenda, two times a year, they put it off. finally issued two days before. >> greta: the house and senate signed a bill to suspend the debt ceiling until may. that is called suspending the debt ceiling, you raise the debt ceiling so you put a lid on wh

and how we reduce the deficit and what tax plans we will have, how we are going make sure that every child is getting a great education and doctorate is encouraging to me that you turn out well by mom not letting you watch tv. i will tell my daughter that is when they complain. in the midst of all these debates, we must keep that same humility that dr. king and washington and all our great leaders understood at the core of true leadership. in a democracy as big and diverse as ours, we will encounter every opinion. our task as citizens whether we are leaders in government or business or spreading the word, to suspend our days with open hearts and open minds. to seek out the truth that exists in an opposing view and find the common ground that allows for us as a nation and a people to take real and meaningful action. we have to do that humbly for no one can know the full and encompassing mind of god and we have to do it every day and not just as a prayer breakfast. this is now our fifth prayer breakfast and it is always a wonderful event. i do worry sometimes that as soon as we leave the pra

the deficit and government spending. the president told pelley he did see the possibility of a deal with republicans that did not include further tax hikes but did close loopholes and eliminate deductions that allow the wealthier americans to gain the system. he also weighed in on the boy scouts of america and the idea the organization is considering lifting its ban on gay members and leaders. the president said that the boy scouts should be open to gay members and leaders and says he believes everyone should have the same access and opportunities regardless of sexual orientation. >>> homeland security secretary janet napolitano is on the road today. she is traveling to san diego and then she will be in el paso tomorrow to take a look at border security measures. she's meeting with local and state officials. republicans want stricter measures in place as a provision of comprehensive immigration reform but the administration points out it spent $18 billion last year on immigration control and it deported some 410,000 people, a record. we're back with more show after the break. stay w

. there is basically an aversion to paying taxes, and we have deficits caused by wars, tax cuts, and all of the things that we talked about, and there are more people retiring. we could say that is too bad, they lived to long -- right -- too long -- one i was growing up, my grandmother had no medicare, no social security, and she lived with her daughters. i slept on the couch in the living room because that is how families took care of seniors before 1964. now we have a medicare program, where my father lived to 93, my mother lived to 97, and we did nothing for them except pay for their taxes. one year we gave my mom a christmas gift, a hearing aid which cost about $800. host: medicare does not cover that? guest: medicare does not cover that. good luck, you are on your own is what we say to seniors. my view is we are a better country than that. we can find a way to do that. there is a lot of stuff done in this country where people are getting treatment or examinations that are not making their health better or their life better. we have to look at that and stop doing that kind of stuff. that means wit

spending. let's reform entitlements. let's get the deficit down. big picture stuff that never really surfaced in the obama administration. >> it absolutely didn't. and again, perhaps that's a reason the council is going away. the recommendations that -- the big picture items that the council recommended were never really adopted by the obama administration, never pursued, despite the fact that these are people the president appointed and had significant business experience. and somebody again that would lend credibility to us as republicans and democrats in congress as a way to come together to get this country's economy moving. in my view, the situation has not changed. in fact, as we saw by the numbers you just reported, the lack of jobs, the slowing of the economy are still here, perhaps getting more evidence that things are going in the wrong direction, not the right direction. and all the more reason to have something to coalesce around the darn partisanship of washington, d.c. and the differences between congress. and i could say every time i say to my democratic colleagues tha

actually get through to a long-term deal. president obama has proposed a $4 trillion deficit deal. one that is a balanced approach, which we had a debate over whether we wanted balance, through revenue and cuts or whether we wanted a cuts-only approach which the republicans proposed. and the american people decided they wanted president obama's vision. and that's the path we need to continue down so we can provide that certainty. but -- >> let me ask -- >> republicans, i agree, aren't interested in that. >> let me ask you about some other things that obviously have been front and center, and vice president biden met with senate democrats yesterday to keep the pressure on to get something done on gun control. here's part of what he said. i'm not saying there's an absolute consensus on all these things, but there is a sea change. a sea change in the attitudes of the american people. and three new polls show almost complete support, almost 100% support, for background checks in virginia, new jersey, pennsylvania. is this where we're most likely to see some legislation in this area? >> you

or not tall from the standpoint of the deficit. the second point i want to make is in line with what bob said. if you were to make a typology of a foreign policy challenges of the united states, it might go something like this. there are crises that involve the of the values and the interest and the interests but not the values and both with some overlap. we pursue our interests hopefully not the point that we are right of a moral crisis that we generate. there are certain challenges which do not seem to involve our interests very much but to bring our values and to question and the classic example of that would have been rwanda and i will get back to that in a moment and then there was a majority of foreign policy challenges. syria and given the magnitude of the humanitarian crisis, the strategic importance of the country there is no greater blow that can be dealt to iran at this moment than the fall of the assad regime from there is no greater blow that can be dealt to hezbollah are dealt to hamas the in the fall of the regime. if one wants to be a coldhearted realist and put together of th

with younger workers than in a sluggish one with budget deficits. immigration is not what hurts them, and it is not standing in the way of aiding them. in 2007, the congressional budget office found that legalizing undocumented immigrants would increase revenue by $48 billion, while costing only $3 billion increased public services. and that is before you get into the broader economic benefits. there are very few free lunches in public policy. usually it is a realm of hard choices, but taking advantage of our unique position as the country with the world's best and brightest, desperately a way to go? that is surely correct. "the ed show" is up next. >>> good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" from new york. hillary clinton ends her run as secretary of state by nailing republicans for who they really are. i love it. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> i am very proud to have been secretary of state. >> hillary clinton gives her final farewell as secretary of state and doesn't mince parting words about the republicans refusing to face facts. karen finney and mich

one with budget deficits. immigration is not what hurts them, and it is not standing in the way of aiding them. in 2007, the congressional budget office found that legalizing undocumented immigrants would increase revenue by $48 billion, while costing only $3 billion increased public services. and that is before you get into the broader economic benefits. there are very few free lunches in public policy. usually it is a realm of hard choices, but taking advantage of our unique position as the country with the world's best and brightest, desperately a way to go? that is surely correct. >>> the pain of mccain. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with this. why is john mccain so angry? 40 years after the vietnam p.o.w.s came home, the most famous of them is angrier than ever. why is america, why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate? the ticked off vitriol against chuck hagel, what is it about? is it for show? is it about something hagel said in the cloakroom? is it the unfairness of vietnam itself, that

want a smaller deficit. hispanics are very much on the side of more government involvement. they want government services, they think that the government can do a lot to create jobs. they are very much in line with the democratic party and might be more pro government than the democratic party. if the republican party wants to woo voters, they need to adjust their message, not just on immigration, but also the economy and the basic principles about what the government can do. >> okay. aaron blake, thank you so much. appreciate that. >> thank you. >>> president obama preparing to move out of the white house oval office, work under way on a second oval office in the eisenhower executive office next door. the president will begin working there in august and make way for a two-year renovation of the white house west wing. >>> it's official. john kerry sworn in as secretary of state. duvall patrick has tapped his former top aide, william mo cohen to replace kerry until the june special election. scott brown took his name out of running yesterday. joining me now is frank phillips, who has b

to the deficit, and i'm just worried that one day we're going to wake up and the market's eyes are going to open up and say wait a minute, look at all these debt and start hitting the wrong way. but look. so far so good. for whatever reason the market likes what it sees, and i never argue with the market. it's kind of stupid to do that. i think you would be run over by a train if you bet against it right now. >> heather: gary kaltbaum joining us. thank you so much. we appreciate your insight as always. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> gregg: so he gave us the barney cam. remember that, and he was by president bush's side throughout his eight years in the white house. what the former president is now saying about his beloved scottish terrier. yeah the barney cam. >> heather: hours before the big game, gregg, new developments and allegations involving nfl player ray lewis. >> gregg: really? i'm so stunned. i'm surprised about this. >> heather: he's speaking out about this. >> gregg: he is? he's talking now? he wasn't really talking before. i'm stunned. >> heather: we'll hear what he has to say. >> i

who has worked with budgets throughout my life, in order to deal with the deficit problem, you've got to deal with entitlements. you have to deal with revenues. and you have to deal with discretionary. all of it has to be part of a package. >> is he doing enough? >> i think he's pushing as hard as he can. >> should he be more public? >> well, look. the president of the united states has indicated the concern about sequester. he's indicated his concern about maintaining a strong national defense. and he's proposed a solution to this. the ball is in congress' court. they have got to take action to delay sequester. >> i want to move on to some of the hot spots. we'll start in north africa. a lot of news this week. here is the a.p. headline. u.s. limited in fight against north african militants. the united states is struggling to confront an uptick in threats in the newest hot spot with limited intelligence and few partners to help as the obama administration weighs who you to keep islamic extremists from jeopardizing national security without launching war. we want to put up a map here.

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the deficit, but it shouldn't just be on the backs of seniors. it shouldn't just be on the backs of young people. >> professor, do republicans not realize that they are protecting the interests of massive oil companies and their profits and potentially throwing the poor into abject poverty? >> if they look at the data and look at the facts, i would say they would absolutely have to acknowledge that. you know, this is kind of a tricky situation, right, because the sequester was never meant to be put into policy. it was meant to sort of threaten politicians to make policy that could be more efficient and a little bit more balanced. a lot of people criticizing this president would not working on behalf of the poor or defending the poor. when you look at the draconian cuts you just listed at the beginning of the segment, those things all attack and undermine the economic and food security of poor people in this country. what's interesting about this whole sequester piece though is that the kind of cuts that we actually need to get in the military are somehow in some ways represented here. so

of this administration is the lack of priority and funding for the military. while they've increased the deficit by $5.3 trillion in four years, the only major part of the budget has been decreased is the military. that's something pretty well- known. a lot of people don't like that idea. the thing that bothers me just as much is putting the agenda, another agenda under the military budget. for example, you have heard senator mccain and me and others talk about the fact that the navy paid for 450,000 gallons of fuel, some $26 a gallon. you can get it on the market for $3. the air force, same thing. except it's $59 a gallon. and so the question i would have of you is just a commitment that if you are confirmed, will you confine the dollars that we are going to spend in the defense budget for defense purposes, for war-fighting purposes? >> well, of course i will because that's the intent of our budget and department of defense. >> i appreciate that very much. there was an article the other day in "the washington post" by jennifer ruben called, "our dim witted state department." it's kind of an interesti

know, we've heard from republicans, we want to shrink the government, we want to shrink the deficit but not the why. >> i definitely think we are about solving the big problems, macro fiscal problems. the president hasn't joined us. but the reason we're doing that is we want to help people. we don't want to see interest rates skyrocket. what's that going to do to people who are already struggling to pay their mortgage? we don't want to see taxes go up anymore. what's that going to do to somebody who already has now just experienced a tax hike. we want to make life work again, and the path to do that does include trying to get a handle on the fiscal situation here in washington, but it also means putting in place policies that help people with their health care costs, their education needs, college tuition and the rest. >> you want to make people's lives better. some might ask how you can do that and still slash the federal budget the way you want to slash in order to meet your other goal, which is to reduce the deficit. >> well, again, these are, you know, things that we're trying t

ceiling, which does not one thing to add to the budget deficit. not one nickel of spenning, it's agreeing to pay the bill. we waited seven months and threaten ord credit rating. the american people are sick of that. they want action. they want their taxes low, as we just saw happen reinly in avoiding the fiscal cliff -- which came as i might add through bipartisanship. the republicanses came through with the table to what obama proposed and he compromised with raising it to the $4,000 level. that's the action that people want to see. >> speaking of our president, he said during obamacare, oh, you're premiums wouldn't be raised. sorry, david. that's exactly what we are seeing -- >> when 2014 comes along -- [overlapping dialogue] >> americans are not able to keep their health insurance. another thing the president promised. >> i have to say, after an absence of david being out, with personal issues and health issues, we are glad to see you back. >> it's a pleasure to be back. >> happy to have you both. >> a bus transporting a philadelphia youth group rammed into a boston-area bridge, injuri

. they are absolutely right. the problem is they are already facing a huge deficit that is already getting a lot worse. 76,000 latinos turn 18 every month. so they don't have a choice. the question is you have -- people who maybe think obviously we're going to suffer in the short-term but let's play this long game. let's start turning things around so maybe in eight or 12 years we can be competitive with latinos again. >> john: exactly. >> and then you have the fake reformer, who i think is rubio, they want to sort of legalize in a sense the undocumented immigrants but they don't want to vote. so we're not going to trigger the citizenship requirement. and that's just to create latinos that don't vote. >> john: exactly. some of the moderate republicans might be on the right track. because they are not a monolithic voting block. there is a lot of diversity, and a lot of catholicism and in spite of the fact that they have these tremendous demographic, the party keeps choose toes alienate these folks. >> that's true. the median age of a native-born latino is 18. that's why it has this i

thing with the deficit commission he created withers kin bowles a few years back. he is paying a lot of lip service to the american public about their top concerns and top concerns of this country and not having a lot of action or substantive action to bring about real solutions. bill: here are the fact we know, alan. in 24 months they met four times. >> correct. the empty met with them four times. there were other meetings the president did not attend. by the way they have been active 16 of 35 proposals and only two year charter. i wonder were republicans praise worthy when they formed the council and saying we don't need a council. that will not create jobs. now all of sudden they're upset he is ending the council. they never sported it first place. bill: implemented 16 recommendations. can you name one. >> i don't have the list here, but all the reports come out say that's what he did. bill: can you name one that worked? >> i don't have the list of them, bill. but the fact is the cynical, cynicism you seem to express as though simply having a jobs council, that is what creates job

. >> no. no. well the first of the year on the fiscal cliff. on the deficit. then they caved, once they came back. right? on the budget and extended things again. isn't it likely no matter their bluff, they are going to cave on the sequester as well? >> we will see what happens. on top republicans are set to unveil their package with sec wrestration and they are likely to introduce a plan to pay for a year's worth of sequester cuts, a year reduction in the federal work force through attrition, not people losing their jobs but that's what they are set to unveil. >> that's kelly ayott, the chair of the house armed services committee and reveal an alternate plan and say what president obama suggested is dead on arrival in the house, not going to make it through congress >> bill: but they will come up with their own plan? >> they will later this afternoon. >> juan aa summers reporter for politico pro the paid addition? >> we are behind the pay wall but i pop up on the main site to cause trouble. >> defense related issues chuck hagel's nomination sequester,

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